Now, how are supposed to know God's plan for us without a WT. pyramid? Where else could we go?
Sea Breeze
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Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated
by RolRod insometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.
they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.
although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..
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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?
by EdenOne ini have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .
knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.
meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.
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Sea Breeze
VanDH,
True, they only speak of the surety of judgement after death for everyone. Other scriptures speak of the eternal nature of the soul.
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Sea Breeze
God speaking does not explain how God created. The obvious point is the Bible contains no science. There is no point in trying to make up some science in the Bible. It would also be one huge book or rather library if that was the case.
Well, I would partly agree that we certainly don't know a lot about the what the information was that was spoken. (That is changing however) But, the fact that scientists are beginning to view life processes (genome code) and now physical matter as information goes a long way in supporting the biblical contention that the information needed to form the universe was simply spoken into existence from the mind of God.
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Sea Breeze
JB 75:
the Bible if taking literally, does not explain how God created
Sure it does. The bible records exactly how God did it in several places; this is just one:
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. - Ps. 33:6
We are made in God's image. When we speak, information comes out. (for most of us ) Scientists are beginning to understand that not only is the fundamental nature of life information, but matter itself is best explained as mathematical information. Real science is a young earth creationists' and a literal Biblicists' best friend.
Perhaps you are familiar with the 200 year old two-slit experiment where probability waves collapse into physical photon particles upon observation?
Well, scientists have now done the same thing with matter - atoms (up to a 2000 bundle so far).Protons are identical to each other in as much as they really are not little ‘balls’ at all. They are a set of quantum numbers such as spin, isospin, charge, mass and so on.
They do not change regardless if they are part of a helium molecule, argon, gold etc. Likewise, numbers do not change nor wear out either. For instance, you could be using a number 3 and then I could use it later, or even at the same time without diminishment of function. It won't wear out.
It is looking more and more like the fundamental nature of everything (as with genomes for life) is information.And, information always comes from a mind.
Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. - Ps. 33: 8-9
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Sea Breeze
Here's a gorge that took millions of years to form... not. This location is about 15 minutes from my house and formed in just three days during a flood in 2002. I personally watched it happen.
And just look at the smooth contours of this land mass that undoubtedly took millions of years to weather down right?
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Liberal idiots now want victims to help those who attacked them.
by mickbobcat inso this liberal asshat actually wants rape victims to work with the rapists.
lmao.
you really have to be brain dead to be a liberal.
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Sea Breeze
They are not brain dead. These are well established disorientation techniques employed to diminish innate notions of right and wrong, create psychological instability and to soften up targets.
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Sea Breeze
Jhine, Old Earth vs. Young Earth is not a salvation issue for sure. But, as time goes on and more and more scientific discoveries are made ... well it just seems obvious.
Dinosaur soft tissues, blood cells, vessels and DNA ..... that last 65 Million years? That's longer than it would take for the Rocky Mountains to weather down to sea level from erosion and to reform again!
That takes a tremendous amount of blind faith to believe that don't you think?Hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific articles confirm that soft tissue in supposedly deep-age fossils is common... not rare.
There has never been a better time to be a creationist than now.
This one is still covered by skin and soft tissues:
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Sea Breeze
40% of Americans Believe in Creationism
Creationists love science.... real science.
List of Evidence Against the Big Bang
List of Big Bang Predictions
List of Fine Tuning Evidence
List of Scholars Doubting Darwin
List of Creation Science Predictions
List of Shocked Evolutionists
List of Solar System Formation Problems
List of Papers that Shock Potheads
List of Carbon 14 Everywhere it Shouldn't Be
List of Dinosaur Soft Tissue Journal Papers
List of Answers to Hydroplate Objections
List of Proofs for the Genius of Ancient Man
List of Missing Transitional Fossils
List of Genomes that Just Don't Fit
List of Fresh Fossils
List of Solar System Transient Events
List of Creationist Fathers of Science
List of Whale Evolution Problems600,000 U.S. Ph.D.s, MDs, and professors, reject the fundamental claim of materialistic origins.
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Resurrection after a death sentence in the OT?
by EdenOne ini have a question for those more versed in biblical history than i. .
knowing that a belief in a resurrection on messianic times was a later jewish belief ... but still ... did the ot jews believe that someone served a capital punishment / death sentence would be elegible for future resurrection?.
meaning: when coding the torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?.
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EdenOne:
When coding the Torah, did its writers intended that the capital punishment also be understood as an obliteration for all eternity?
Judgement after death is taught in both testaments. Consciousness is eternal, hard-wired into the design from the beginning. Every man, woman & child who has ever been conceived will be conscious somewhere for eternity. A wrecked car doesn't stop being a car just because it is undriveable.
The following 17 scriptures must be "spiritualized" away or ignored in order to keep the Watchtower interpretation that a person will self-atone when they die and will wake up in paradise petting Panda bears.
1. John 3: 18 - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
- If a person gets a new slate when they die and they can pay for their own sins by dying, then nobody is really condemned. A literal interpretation of this scripture says otherwise.
2. John 5: 29 - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
- If a person gets a new slate when they die and they can pay for their own sins by dying, then why will there be a resurrection of damnation? A literal interpretation of this scripture says otherwise.
3. Rev. 20: 5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
- The WT says this scripture is “spiritual” and not literal. But, they believe the next verses 6-9, are literal (the Final Rebellion). But, the ones after that, verses 10 & 11 are spiritual. (They wave away the verses that teach that there will be a literal judgement after you die as does Hebrews 9: 27)
4. Rev. 20: 12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
- If a person gets a new slate when they die and they can pay for their own sins by dying, then why resurrect the dead to judge them by their works? (This must be spiritualized – ignored)
- The reality is that Christians are judged at Calvary Hill along with Christ as deserving of death. Others who reject the New Covenant Blood Covering and the work that Jesus did must now be judged by their own works, having rejected the work of Christ, his grace and New Covenant.
5. Matt. 12: 41 - The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
- If a person gets a new slate when they die and they can pay for their own sins by dying, then why will the men of Nineveh be resurrected to testify that they were able to repent having far less miraculous signs to go on than the men in Jesus’ day had? This sounds like a real trial with real witnesses. All this must be spiritualized by the WT to fit their narrative.
6. Matt: 10: 15 - Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.
- If a person gets a new slate when they die and they can pay for their own sins by dying why will the people in Jesus’ day receive a heavier judgement than those from Sodom & Gomorrah?
7. Matt. 11: - 21 – 24 - Then began he to upbraid [chastise] the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
- Why will it be more tolerable for the residents of Tyre, Sidon, Sodom & Gomorrah at judgment day, than for the cities of Chorazin, Bethsaida, & Capernaum if a person can pay for their own sins by dying & get a new slate after they die?
8. Is. 2: 12 - For the Lord of hosts will have a day of reckoning, Against everyone who is proud and lofty. And against everyone who is lifted up, That he may be abased.
- Why has the Lord reserved a day to condemn the proud and lofty if a person can pay for their own sins by dying & can get a new slate after they die?
9. Hebrews 9: 27 – it is appointed unto man once to die, and then judgement
- Why will there be a personal judgement after you die if you already have a new slate and paid for your sins when you died?
10. Rev. 11: 18 - thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged
- Again, why will there be a personal judgement after you die if you already have a new slate and paid for your sins when you died?
11. Romans 3: 28 - For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
- Being Justified means there is no debt. Why is there a need to eliminate our sin debt by faith if we get a clean slate (justified) simply by dying? If we have already paid our debt by dying, why does anyone need to be justified. It makes the works vs. faith argument totally irrelevant. Why not just die and be done with it?
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12. Romans 5: 1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
- Why do we achieve peace with God through faith if it is actually by our own death?
13. Habakkuk 2: 4 - Behold, as for the proud one, His soul is not right within him; But the righteous will live by his faith.
- Why do we live again by faith if it is simply by dying that we will live again?
14. Gen. 15: 6 - And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
- Why did Abraham need to get declared righteous by believing God if all he had to do is die and get resurrected during the Millennial Reign?
15. Gal. 2: 16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ… , for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
- Why worry about faith or works if a person justifies himself by dying and wakes up during the Millennium Reign with no sin debt? The truth is that Justification is very important and determines where you will spend eternity. And, it is achieved only one way, by faith; and not by works or by simply dying.
16. Matt. 12: 36 - But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
- Why will careless things that people say be brought up against them on Judgment Day if a person gets a clean slate after they die?
17. 2 Peter 2: 9 - The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
- Why is the Lord reserving unjustified mankind for judgement and punishment if they are given a clean slate when they die?
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The Stupidity Of The Biden Administration Knows No Bounds
by Simon inso picture this, you are suddenly withdrawing troops after 2 decades in a country and, well, its all gone to shit.. how do you ensure that your vulnerable citizens and allies can get out when the airport is surrounded and no one can get through?.
option 1: it's a trick question surely?
you don't get yourself into this mess in the first place - you withdraw the citizens first, not last, duh!.
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